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The Queerbaiting Chronicles!
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In this episode of Who Gave Us The Mic?!, the crew dives head‑first into the messy, chaotic, and oh‑so‑familiar world of queerbaiting — from TV shows that tease queer storylines but never deliver, to influencers who flirt with queerness for clout, to celebrities who love the aesthetic but avoid the community.
We break down:
- What queerbaiting actually is
- Why it hits a nerve in the LGBTQIA+ community
- The shows, movies, and creators who have played in our face
- The psychology behind why people fall for it
- And whether there’s any upside to all this baiting
Expect loud opinions, real talk, personal stories, and the signature chaos that only our mic can handle. If you’ve ever felt “almost represented,” this episode is for you.
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Welcome Back And Set The Stage
SPEAKER_02Alright, alright. Welcome back to Who Gave Us the Mike. Where somehow, some way, they really did give us the mic, y'all. And we still don't know why. But we're here, we're loud, and we're ready to talk our talk. Now, listen, today's topic was just juicy, it's messy, but it's a long overdue. We're diving into the world of queer baiting. Yes, the thing folks do when they want to flirt with queerness for attention, but don't actually stand ten toes down on it. But before we get into it, I want to ask how how everybody feeling today?
SPEAKER_05I'm all right.
SPEAKER_02Everybody got these drinks, everybody hydrated.
SPEAKER_03After yesterday?
SPEAKER_05No, absolutely not.
SPEAKER_04I'm barely up, if you want my honest opinion.
SPEAKER_03For anybody listening, all of our asses went to private over here yesterday. And yes. We've seen some queer baiting.
SPEAKER_04Hey.
SPEAKER_02We probably saw a kind of queer bait, let's be honest. I'm your host today, King Leo. Leading this episode. With me, I have the one, the only, the man, the myth, Azari.
SPEAKER_03What's going on, yo? Darkskin Savior.
SPEAKER_02I also have with me the little ball of pixie dust, but that likes to cause chaos behind the scenes. Chaos.
SPEAKER_01I don't know if I'm gonna be spicy or sweet today. We shall see.
SPEAKER_02And also with me is my friend, the voluntuous, the voice, the nose.
SPEAKER_03I feel like he needed a sound effect behind him. You know the one that went doom, doom, d-doom, doom, d-doom.
SPEAKER_02Get your own little intro, intro uh. So without any further ado, let's go ahead and begin.
What Queer Baiting Really Means
SPEAKER_02So the first question I want to ask everybody, just to kind of start it off, is when y'all hear the word queer baiting, what comes to mind? Let's start with you, icy notes.
SPEAKER_04Honestly, like before really knowing what it really meant, I thought it was like some like a porno term where it was like a whole bunch of gay people in a circle masturbating.
SPEAKER_05I'm like I thought it was just for gay people, that's why queer bait. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_04As I learn myself, then I realize that it's when uh certain uh guy or straight guys, I guess I guess females can do it too. But mostly guys, uh where they they wanna they they play around with gay things or or or gay acts and stuff like that, or uh for camera or for likes or for clicks, and so they try to get to reel you in so they can build up their community.
SPEAKER_05Basically, yeah. What about you, Mr. Chaos?
SPEAKER_01Um, I well, I knew what it was. So yes, so queer baiting, yeah, just you know, a straight. I've always thought men, like I said, we're talking about women. Uh, but yes, uh straight man doing gay or gay-ish acts, and then uh using that to like profit off the community or you know, the appeal to our community.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Um it is, yeah. What about you, Mr. Azadi? So at first, when the whole argument first came up, I thought it was just not like Icy Notes.
SPEAKER_03I thought it was a gay space thing, but not in like the same realm as Icy notes. But I did think it was people, you know, pretending uh it to be queer or anything for views and monetary and stuff like that. But you know, as it's going on, I've seen that you can do it for other things too. Popularity. I I've seen streamers do queer things to try to get, you know, quick because you know, a lot of queer people go on there and they just want to look. So they do stuff to get them to look and to comment, even if it's to call them out on it. To get views of popularity. So I mean, hell is kind of everywhere now. Yeah, pretending. Pretending to be part of a culture that you would not have anything to do with otherwise, ally or in general.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, um, I I'd definitely say I fully agree. I mean, for me, just plainly simple, it's basically it's given, I'm gonna hint at being queer just enough to basically get the girls, the gays, and the days basically all excited, but then not enough to actually commit to it. So it's like you're hinting at it, you're giving that, like, oh, I may kiss this man. Look how we're making eye contact, or something like that, but then you never actually see them kiss, or you never actually see the actual queer part of it because it's like they're baiting that it's going to happen to keep you watching and keep you engaged, but it never happens, but you keep watching because you're hoping at some point it actually happens. So that that's what I mean, yeah, but sometimes it's in those movies, more so is what I'm talking about. When you're in like a watching a movie, and then the male characters have like that intimate moment, it's like they're hitting at, like, oh, they might make out, they may kiss, and people, if you're invested into the episode, you're like, oh, I really want to see this. And you keep watching the what?
SPEAKER_03We're all like, we're at joke in Hollywood, or like all the the best male movies, like fast the Fast and Furious franchise, all the best male uh movies have some queer sexual undertone between the two male main characters. Okay, I get what you're saying.
SPEAKER_04I know you got that from. You coming off American Dad, we're American dad uh hinted towards the cut out all the lines and leave off sex. Right. He said in French, you can see the whole the whole thing.
SPEAKER_05I was like, wow.
Intentional Vs Accidental Queer Baiting
SPEAKER_02So do y'all think that uh queer baiting is always intentional, or can someone accidentally queer bait without meaning to? Let's go with you, Azari.
SPEAKER_03I think somebody can uh I think they can do it on accident. Though I think it happens often, you know, but I mean queer baiting, you can do something that's adopt an aesthetic that is normally associated with queerness, and you can do it because you like it and not realize you're giving off a certain vibe or something because that might just be you. But I don't see it happening all the time. And honestly, I see if it does happen, I see it happening more with women than with men because most straight men are overly homophobic and making sure that they don't give off any type of queer vibe unless they're doing it with purpose.
SPEAKER_05Okay. So um what about you, Mr.
SPEAKER_02Chaos?
SPEAKER_01Um, I do think people can do it unintentionally. Um when I hear that, I think about uh Taj Maori and there's this other guy named, I think his name is Rashawn. He's like a TikToker, he dances in New York and stuff like that. Um they're both very attractive men, very fit. And a lot of times they're posting their like like fitness journeys or just something just to like express themselves, or maybe be like, oh, look, I've been working out, blah, blah, blah. And then you got gays like in the comments, in their DMs, like saying stuff. And then they've taken time to be like, hey, I'm not gay, but like I support everybody, and then maybe don't be in my DMs and things like that. And then I still think that people don't. I think people still think that they're doing that stuff intentionally to get the attention, but I'm like, I don't think that's always the case.
SPEAKER_03Okay. See, I feel like um when you brought that up, like MLB Chocolate and Flashman Wade pops in their mind where people kind of like they want them to be gay. So when they're not gay, they accuse them of queer baiting. And I'm looking like I've never seen them say or do anything that lead me to believe that they are anything other than straight. I've always known these men were straight.
SPEAKER_04I well, hold on now. Well, Flashman Wade, he does play with his ass a lot. A lot. I've seen straight men do that.
SPEAKER_03And I mean knowing you have a certain type of audience and playing to that audience is different than queer baiting. Like there's another guy named Hercules the guy. He queer baits, he and other people do scenes that suggest that they are having sex and they are indeed not having sex. And they're paying, people are paying to see this, and it's not happening. That's the difference between.
SPEAKER_04That's not to say, but it's a good thing. And the queer big guys was in there doing stuff with each other, and he was just sitting there with his ass, and yeah, so that's not queer baiting. But it was very suggestive guys, it's suggestive.
SPEAKER_02I'm about to say to me, I feel like that that so for me, it's like queer baiting is anything if you're not gay and you're doing things of a gay nature to attract the gay audience, you're queer baiting. So I feel like if you're now playing in your, I mean, a lot of straight men do that, but I just feel like that has to be it's became talking about Flashman Wade specifically. Yeah, but I've seen his videos. Like the Hercules, the guy, dude.
SPEAKER_03Is that the dude that was on He filmed with Jacoby and Jacoby is also known for having a lot of he does a lot of queer dating. He's queer, but he has a lot of guys that he does stuff with and they queer date. He's been caught out a few times for it.
unknownI don't know.
SPEAKER_05Hercules was a sports player, or somebody's a football player, or something used to be. I think so, yeah. I pretty sure I think I've seen that video too.
SPEAKER_03A couple I get people got on him so bad, though. I think he finally went ahead and did an actual thing. Because people were getting on him so bad.
SPEAKER_05So okay.
SPEAKER_04It's kind of hard to say, was he really maybe he was just curious. You know, that could have been too. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I mean, curiosity could could stem into a queer baiting thing. Because you're curious and you want to do it, but then you don't actually do it because you're not ready to, but it could be perceived as queer baiting. They don't post it.
SPEAKER_04That's the whole point of the baiting so they can get the audience and the the viewers.
SPEAKER_03But that's but that's what I mean. If you if you are a person who is curious and you're just trying out things, if you're uncomfortable with it right now, I'm not telling you not to ever do it, but if you're uncomfortable with it right now, you can avoid the whole situation by not posting it until you're they go ahead and bitches where y'all at, they're scamming us.
SPEAKER_02Some of them, I don't think that they feel uncomfortable. It's just what they're posting is what they're comfortable doing at that time with some of them. Now, like you said, you definitely have a lot of them that they know they do it because they want the attention. But some of them, I feel like some of them they do like them baby stage.
SPEAKER_03But when you have scenes that are in motion and certain things are happening, but it's at an angle where it looks like it, but you can't quite tell, you know what that is.
SPEAKER_02Oh no, they're correlating. They put on a show. They put on a show. Those ones, yes, they're putting on a show for sure. But uh, I mean, Ice knows you kind of answered it, but what do you think? Is it intentional or can it be accidental?
SPEAKER_04Uh I I think it can be a little bit of both. Um definitely in uh uh in a like what uh chaos was saying, like we're we're guys supposed to are well, bodybuilders. Like a lot of bodybuilders, they're not gay, but they have a lot of huge a lot of them got a lot of gay following because they, you know, all the workouts, the stuff they do, they got their shirts off. They showing everything. Um and then uh definitely intentional. Like unin what what you say, unintentional? So but yeah. Um then you got the ones who are like like some of those people who do so like does those skits, those influencers. They'll uh have their ass out and then or they'll uh randomly come in with some like some take down like have somebody pull they uh they sh uh they uh pajama pants back or something, or and then they show their ass and shit. And then they're like, what? I ain't getting like and then it just cuts off or something stupid, or or they have a skit. I think the one I think me and you was talking about it, uh Leo with the uh the one dude and his twins and their uh friend, what's his name? Leron that dude that skates and the and the twins.
SPEAKER_02See that's I think the 80k twins.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. And his dad get well, they pre well, I'm pretty sure it's I know it's an act, but he pretends to be all upset when they hit on him or whatever.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like the one scene where LeRon was basically saying what kind of man he liked. He's like, I like men that wear all black and they look really good in black and they wear hats, and then you can see the dad in the background taking his hat off and doing all the like trying to make yourself. Now I'm like, it's a skip, but at the end of the day, Laron, you are gay, but you are activating.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. See, wait, see that to me, I laugh. I it is funny. To me, it's funny. To me, that's incidental. I when I think of queer bait is like to where it becomes a problem. I think of people like Flight Boy Max and the shit he be doing. Uh um be a little problematic, even if they're like half-howing his ass and doing other queer-coded things, and I'm like on his live streams, and I'm like, no, come on. And then get upset when people want to call him what he acted like. It's like, okay, I'm all for freedom, uh, I'm all for not tying anything, not tying any specific thing to a gender or a sexuality, but you have to know. And it may be unfair, but you have to know that the reality of it is if you get on a live stream in front of hundreds or thousands of judgmental ass people, and you do something just because, even if it's just because that is who you are, expect for them to take it away that you don't want them to take it, and you can't be upset about it. That's just how it is.
SPEAKER_04According to him, he is. Yeah, not at all.
SPEAKER_02Not at all.
SPEAKER_03Show show me the gun that made this boy drop his drawers on his live stream.
SPEAKER_04We don't know what's behind that camera. So, no man.
SPEAKER_02If he has a cameraman, that's behind the camera, and his cameraman probably liking it, like, yeah, take it off.
SPEAKER_04Take it off. So, no.
SPEAKER_02Let's get on, let's talk about the impacts of it though.
Why It Feels Manipulative
SPEAKER_02Because queer bait, queer baiting isn't just annoying, it can actually be hurtful to the queer community or to anyone, honestly. So when you guys think about that, um, why does queer baiting feel manipulative to queer audiences? Why why do y'all think that? Chaos?
SPEAKER_01Um uh I think it feels manipulative because I mean, I think you're like falsely representing yourself, maybe. Um, and then a lot of times, too, if they're trying to sell something, like it's very easy for me to sell you this like product, these shorts, or whatever. If I wear something that's very form-fitting and you can see everything, and then you know, maybe I'm playing it up because I know, hey, I get a lot of support um from the queer community um doing this, and they're the ones buying up my, you know, my product, whatever I'm selling. Like, yeah, no, you're you're taking advantage. I was about to get into my stream about capitalism, hate it, but I was like, like, that's that's what I think about though. Like, I just think about like you don't really care about these people, you want to use them to squeeze them dry to make your money, and then let me stop. This is trying to do a whole different thing.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, that is true. Yeah, that is very true, Mr.
SPEAKER_02Um Mr. Zari. What about you? Does queer baiting feel manipulative to queer audiences?
SPEAKER_03I mean, it absolutely is. I mean, there's it's one thing to act. No, I'm not even gonna say that, because yes, I in when you are a marginalized group of people, and I feel the same way when even if we get out of the crypto, I feel the same way even if you are doing this to people of color, or I mean, there's so few represent forms of representation for us, especially for as multifaceted and as dimensional as we are as people, to have somebody not only pretend to be something else, but make money a living and a career off of doing this that could be going to somebody that is actually uh that is actually queer or of color or whatever they're portraying themselves to be, like that is something that could have gone to somebody else that actually is what you're portraying to be could actually represent the community that you are trained to be in, or whatever. It just it is manipulative, but I also feel like on the other end, there are certain people that allow themselves to be manipulated too because of the sake of the person being for the biggest reason attractive. So people will tell them people have been outed for queer baiting, and they still have a career because most of the people and working queers people don't care. They want to look, they want to see as long as they get to do that, they're happy to support that. So yes, but we also the audience has to also take partial blaming that because we also allow ourselves to be manipulated to a certain extent, too.
SPEAKER_04Manipulate me. So no costing me money. I say I gotta spend that in the C or C on uh X. That's it's better videos on there than OnlyFans.
SPEAKER_03Outside of that though, too. Look at look at movie roles that they give straight people to portray and stuff. Like, yeah, look at most of the actors from Pose, not only queer, but queer people of color. Outside of MJ Rock Rodriguez, where have we seen the rest of them since that show ended? Even the the the the cisgendered men that were on that show, where have we seen them since that show ended? We don't have a lot of things that represent us, so for somebody to not be of that culture to come and take it, yes, it's manipulative and it's bullshit.
SPEAKER_04He's talking about when they give like the the part to somebody who's like like in an actual movie, like not a porn of the movie.
SPEAKER_03Yes, like like take the mummy. Y'all casted all the white people to play Egyptians.
SPEAKER_05Why? I mean it happens twice and three times.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean it happens a lot. I mean, but then I mean, I guess you could some people could argue. Um, I I think it's a dumb argument, but some people could even go back and argue the fact of how in a lot of these movies you can say, oh well you guys are pushing stuff because they're casting a lot of these black actors to play white Disney characters. Like, look at the Little Mermaid when she came out. They was all in uproar about that.
SPEAKER_03Or at two arguments about that. One, she's not human. A mermaid is a fictional character, she's of the speech, she's not human. Our races don't necessarily apply to them. Our genders might not even fucking apply to them. We don't know that. Number one.
SPEAKER_02Number two, they trade as it does. Number female mermaids.
SPEAKER_03So number two, again, we can go back to my last point, like very little representation. So we get roles where like white people can argue that all they want to, but y'all have an abundance of roles that y'all can go get playing a multitude of things. Like via. Black limits your roles, especially when they only want to portray you as certain types of characters being black and queer. Cut that in half by the half that you were already given because they only want you to portray other certain types of characters now. We're either hoes, addicts, violent, or in jail.
SPEAKER_05Or stealing something from somebody, whether it be a man or whether it be something valuable.
unknownIt happens a lot.
SPEAKER_02A lot of different ways, but uh queer baiting is definitely one of the ones that strike me personally, of course. All of us probably personally. So but what about you, I see notes?
SPEAKER_04I done, you know, we done got all what was the question again?
SPEAKER_05What's the question? What not happened?
SPEAKER_02Not even made me forget hell.
SPEAKER_03Somebody being manipulated.
SPEAKER_02Queer Betty feel manipulative to queer audiences.
SPEAKER_04Oh uh I mean it can be to some people. Um I don't think it's I don't I think a lot of people don't mind, like uh Azary was saying, I don't think a lot of people don't mind it. So I mean, I mean they spend their money on it, so I mean just to see a certain actor or actress play uh uh portray a role. Um so and even if they're like uh influencer, I see it more with influencers than anything where they do all the little skip stuff, but uh but yeah, they they'll pay for it, and they'll still go to their comedy shows. Um the uh the the the gay audience or whatever, or queer I'm sorry, queer audience or whatever, and they still support it. So it's all about the money.
SPEAKER_02So so perfect transition to the next
When It Becomes A Letdown
SPEAKER_02question. Have y'all ever personally felt disappointed or let down by a show, an influencer or celebrity who was clearly queer baiting? What about you guys? Oh, oh, let's go to ice notes.
SPEAKER_04He's saying that sometimes even like I always feel like sometimes people like um, especially with the influencers, um when it comes to like they do like their little reels or they still whatever, I think they put forth the funniest things that they can, but they don't really have nothing else to and I'm saying sometimes, not all the time, sometimes they're just auto, auto, it's just funny. But some of them are like only funny for like the few seconds that they show us online, and then you go to like if you see one of their full shows, and it's like all right, I'm like, you better just doing skits, like just stick to the skits. You know, not everybody is some people is only mad TV funny and not uh and not SNL funny. It's like even though mad TV was so much more superior, but yes. Nothing getting off subject.
SPEAKER_02But I mean, I I I agree. I mean, influencers I I feel like it happens a lot more. I mean, it happens in movies, of course, it happens on TV shows, but the biggest corporates are like content creators and influencers. They're the biggest ones that do it a lot. Like, there's one guy, I don't know, I don't know what his name is, but I a lot of his videos pop up on my feed on like Instagram and stuff. And there's always something with being gay. Like him talking about a random dude will walk up to him and say something and make jokes about wanting to do something, he'll get all mad. Like, so you really don't want to crack me? You really don't want to hit this. And the dude is definitely straight, but like he played, he every skit that he has has something to do with being something gay, something with him giving head, or him having a crush on his homeboy, or him like it's like this-you you built your whole like influencer and your whole content based off of queer baiting. And it's to me, I mean like I feel it's disrespectful, and it's and honestly, half of it is not even funny when I watch him. I'm like, this is not even funny. Like, I mean, when I come across another video, I have to send it to y'all to show you who I'm talking about. But I'm like, it's it's not even funny half the time. So it really annoys the hell out of me. But let's go ahead and go down. We're gonna go down to you, uh, Mr. Chaos. What about you? Have you ever felt disappointed or let down by a TV show influencer or celebrity that was queer blame?
SPEAKER_01Um no, actually. Uh and I I I guess maybe because I maybe because I just don't care enough, if I'm being so honest. Um, like when people do stuff, when you talk about that person you're talking about about, I have no idea who they are. But if I seen that, I'd be like, okay, so very obviously, like, you're it doesn't even feel like you're queer, mate. It feels like you're almost making a mockery of queer people and you're trying to be funny. And then like, and if you this is your whole content, I feel like what you're catering to is a straight audience that like makes fun of how they think all gay people are. Um so no, no one's ever really disappointed me because I actively try to follow mostly queer uh influencers. Uh, and then I don't watch a lot of movies because I just don't like them. That's not crazy.
SPEAKER_04What about you, Mr. Azari?
SPEAKER_03Um, at first I was gonna say no, but actually, yes, one popped into my mind. Now, I don't with certain people know. Like with content creators, depending on what they're doing, I don't really care. Like with the ones that do OnlyFans, so I don't pay for none of that shit anyway, so it don't affect me. Um but like you guys were saying, as long as like they're not basing their entire platform off of so-called being queer or a queer aesthetic or something like that, then it doesn't necessarily bother me as long as it's not a mockery or anything like that. Like if you have I just partly explained, if you have like a a queer person that you know personally and they're doing something with you, and there's queer stuff in it, then that's fine with me. That's why we split a queer person in the video. Um as far as disappointing me, yes, I can actually say um I was disappointed once. And it was Tyler Perry, actually. It was when he did um Icy Notes. What was that play? Uh he did the last, it was the Medea Farewell play. What was the movie that they adapted from it? What was it called?
SPEAKER_05Um, I think one of the I forgot the name of the movie.
SPEAKER_03Either way, it it was that one, it was on Netflix.
SPEAKER_04I know which one you're talking about, though.
SPEAKER_02I think I know which one you're talking about, too, but I don't remember the name of it either.
SPEAKER_03So this is what bothered me. It actually wasn't a movie, it was the play that bothered me. So he had an opportunity because this was Matthias Fairwell, he ain't done another play ever since then or whatever. Now he brought a person on there, did all the entire play alluding to this person being gay, and that he was in a relationship with his best friend. Here we get to the end of the damn play, and no, the boy's not gay, which I'd have been fine if we didn't spend the whole play with people making gay jokes and gay references and stuff at at him, only to find out that the friend is that the secret was is he was dating the boy's mom. And I'm like, you had an opportunity here, especially since you know most of your crowd is Christian church-going people who have certain views about homosexuality. If you were going to include this stuff, you had an opportunity to do something positive with it, and instead all you did was make jokes at it, only to basically take it back at the end. I felt like that was bullshit.
SPEAKER_02And then it comes to find out it wasn't neither one. Well, what made me mad about that was the fact neither one of them were gay in the play.
SPEAKER_03Neither one.
SPEAKER_02And when you made the movie, you actually made one of them gay.
SPEAKER_03Yes. I think I think I I think it was the uh I think it was the boy, the the family member, the little boy. Yes, they made it gay in the movie because you knew you were gonna get a wider audience. So I felt like you did that just because you knew it was safer. You knew mostly church going people come to your place, so you did that, knowing that it was more acceptable. That just no, that didn't fit well with me. You might as well have to left him out. Especially when you had blended on K Wait up there playing a managed looking woman.
SPEAKER_05I'm like, what was like Wait, he was a woman? Yeah, he was he was the sister. He was the sister. This is out of control.
SPEAKER_03He needs to be stopped. She was supposed to be an ugly, managed-looking woman, but she was supposed to be a woman.
SPEAKER_02And it made jokes about queer with her too, about her looking like a man. They they made jokes about all of that, and it's like and her being thirsty.
SPEAKER_03I mean, she was, but it was but at the end of the play when you realize none of it mattered, just for jokes, it started becoming way too much.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it was too much. And then he didn't even have her in the movie, right? No, that character was only in the play.
SPEAKER_02I don't remember. Did he even have a sister in the movie?
SPEAKER_04No, no, not at all.
SPEAKER_02Well, he always says I like to make my movies a little different than I'm than my plays, but it's like all you do is stuff you hint at in your plays, you actually put it in the movie.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Or remove it.
SPEAKER_02So basically, do you guys feel like queer baiting reinforces stereotypes, or does it um flatten queer identity into something shallow?
Stereotypes And Flattened Queer Identity
SPEAKER_02What about you? Come on, Azari. Look like you got something going in your head.
SPEAKER_03Both. I I feel like both. One feeds into the other. I mean, because the people that aren't queer pretending to be queer usually have a very limited understanding of what being queer is, and it's usually stereotypical, or stuff that they ignorantly have a half-ass understanding of, and they take that and use that to make some character, and then that ends up reinforcing whatever stereotype other people have about us anyway. And it's usually the thirsty stereotype, and I'm sick of that one.
SPEAKER_04Everybody just over every gay person is always overly sexual, and that's not the case. Especially when it's a queer person of color. I'm still over that. None of us never just be success uh successful, just work a normal regular life or live regular lives. It's always got to be something about out looking for the next penis or the ass to do. Not even not even go out on a date.
SPEAKER_03Right. Build anything, have a friendship.
SPEAKER_02No, they literally make it feel like we just hook up to have sex. That that's all we do. All we want to do is hook up to have sex. I'm like, no, I want to go on a date. Take me out somewhere nice. I want to do other things. I we do the same crap that straight people do, but y'all, y'all want to perceive us as or just see sex fiends. Either sex fiends or super overly feminine. Not every gay person is overly feminine. Ain't nothing wrong with the ones that are, but no, there's different ones. There's so many different aspects. So there's so many different aspects y'all could portray when y'all do do it, but y'all always like, like Azari said, it's always the negative. It's it's always the negative.
SPEAKER_04They take a the um like it's blackface, it's just it's just a nor a different form of blackface. They take all what they believe is how it goes, and and they might, and they might have been to some uh some shows or whatever where you know, and you know how uh with the drag shows they put on it's a performance, and then they'll take that and make like oh they live their lives like that every day. It's like no, it's it's called energy. But most don't you get the people who take that and then they try to make it as if that's that applies to everybody, and it doesn't.
SPEAKER_03And that's the and that's the point. Like, you know, some of we're not saying that some people don't act like that. I'm not saying we don't have people in in every community that don't act like that, but that's not all that there is. Like, I know a lot of people ain't gonna like this, but I feel like that about beauty in black. Like, it just a lot of the the portrayals in them feels like them people are naked a good in having sex with something or somebody a gay 85-90% of the time. A lot of curve on that show. That's why people watch the show, especially after you had old Ingram ass get on Instagram and run his mouth.
SPEAKER_02It's like and he plays a gay for pay character. But then there's a lot of people that was trying to say he was gay in real life, like this, huh?
SPEAKER_01That's why he came out and he said it. They probably was trying to say he's gay in real life. He's like, Let me go ahead and tell y'all uh y'all disgusting.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm like, come on now, like why are you bad? Like uh, anyways, like nobody even asked.
SPEAKER_03Like, why did you need to get up on here with your five subscribers and say anything to people?
SPEAKER_02Because he didn't have a big following at all. What about you, uh Mr. Chaos?
SPEAKER_01Um, I'm a I'm a pull of uh nicey knows. What was the question again?
SPEAKER_02Do you think queer do you think queer baiting reinforces stereotypes or flattens queer identity into something shallow?
SPEAKER_01Um yeah, yes. Um to both. I would yeah, I would say yes to both. Um, but a lot of the reasons for like we like already kind of uh brought up. And then also when you guys are having that conversation talking about it. Talking a little bit. I wonder if a little bit of the idea that like gay men are like overly sexual because I feel like men themselves are often like thought to be very like sexual people and really want sex a lot and things like that. I mean, we know there are predatory men and things like that, but like you know, I feel like that's almost a you know a stereotype when it comes to men that they should be oversexual and they love sex and things like that. So then, of course, if you have two two or sorry, if you have someone that likes men, then it's just like oh yeah, y'all just go in at it all types of crazy and things like that. And it is unfortunate because you're right.
SPEAKER_04We have um make sure you narrow down the black men because they really over over sexualize black men, especially.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, and and that's and and I'm sure I'm sure there's some uh undertotals we could talk too about, like uh back to like just slavery and you know uh racism and things like that for sure when it comes to that. Because if I gotta, I mean, thankfully I'm not out in the scene no more, but if I had to hear one more person send me a message talk about some, uh I love it, give me some of that BBC. I actually might scream because it is kind of crazy.
SPEAKER_04Right. Please don't please don't start that.
SPEAKER_01You could be my first black guy. Give me some of that black cock.
SPEAKER_02Instant turnoff, instant turnoff when I hear that. Oh, instant turnoff. I'm like, I don't have a chicken.
SPEAKER_03And then Living is a chicken, huh?
SPEAKER_02That is such a turn off. Maybe think they really say it with so much like uh, like, oh, they gonna love it. Let me get that black.
SPEAKER_03Okay, hold on, hold on, y'all. Save it for the sex episode.
SPEAKER_01But yeah, you know, y'all give it y'all getting too much. Well, just to round out what I was what I was saying, yeah. I mean, and even I saw a skit recently, and they were and they were white content creators, and I believe they're from Australia, but like there's this girl, this white girl, and she has a gay friend, and then she uses all of this gay lingo, and she goes, Oh, yeah, you flap, you probably were having like five dicks last night, and then his character is supposed to be like, Oh no, I actually was just at home and I was enjoying a glass of wine or I went out to dinner or I had a date and things like that. Um, now Grand, again, I know there's white creators doing that. We may not have the same thing, you know, kind of on the black side, but it didn't make me think about that as well, too. Like, there are people like that too, you know, out there, like, you're gay, you're probably doing this, and you're like, No, I'm actually, I was at home reading a book. If you be so shocked that we can read and, you know, we're educated, you know, how do we do that?
SPEAKER_05So, oh my god, you know words. You can stand upright.
SPEAKER_03Like, yes.
SPEAKER_02Definitely different than what you think I am just saying. But I know you guys touched on the whole um people trying to make money off of the gay community.
Pride Month And Rainbow Capitalism
SPEAKER_02Here's one that really kind of pisses me off is why do you guys think that brands, clothing brands, churches, anything, magically remember queer people exist only during Pride Month? Why is it that you only have Pride stuff in your stores only during Pride Month? I think that is another form of queer baiting on a bigger scale of as far as like shopping and stuff like that with some of these brands and businesses, because y'all don't post have anything in your store about pride whatsoever until Pride Month hit. So why do y'all think, well, we all know why, but I'm still gonna ask anyways. Why do y'all think magically all these companies know what pride is now during Pride Month? Who wants to do it?
SPEAKER_04Systematic the money. Yeah. That's what I say. We all know why. It's a it's a systematic thing to show that we support you, but we're gonna really support you right here. We support you sometimes when it's convenient, because let's be honest. Like you said, when it's convenient for you uh to give uh the community the support that we need, even though we need it all the time, and not just in June or according to Akron, August. So but yes, they they they just it's all about that money.
SPEAKER_03So my whole thing with that, too. Yes, it's about the money. But I I mean, if you really because I'm glad you brought this up because I I was thinking, I feel like queer baiting not only extends to like straight people pretending to be something else, but also people pretending to be allies. I feel like it's a form of queer baiting. Like when you adopt a queer aesthetic, like you have people that like love wearing drag makeup, for example, hate stand drag queens, hate queer people, all that other stuff. Like, but they get online and form these these these careers over these aesthetics and stuff, getting people to believe that they support us, and behind the scenes they drag us every chance to get. And I feel like that is that's that's the stores. It's a manufactured version of that where we'll support you behind the scenes, maybe, if if it's something for it for us. But you know, when it's when it's time to be visible, then we'll step out and be like, hey, we support you over here in this eight by eight section over here in this dusty ass corner where you can find these two dollar party supplies that we made out of old shit we got off the dumpster last year.
SPEAKER_04You know, uh just to add on to what you were saying, Azari, actually, this is some chaos kind of brought up with the uh with the the uh girl um queer baiting the language. Remember, I think you talk about that all the time, Azari, uh like the queer language that certain words that we might use or phrases or we want to say. And you get a lot of a lot of females, especially white females, uh try to uh adopt it in into their uh their everyday lingo.
SPEAKER_03I feel like they mix they mix the black scent with gaming trying to sound more like does anybody else feel like they get that?
SPEAKER_04No, I agree. That's them trying to be hood, I guess. I'm like, what are you doing?
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna get this black scent. I'm gonna sprinkle a little bit of Rainbow Queer powder in here for you, and bam, I'm hood. Like, what the f is this?
SPEAKER_04Like, mm-girl. Like, look at her wrist, like what the and I uh clock it, like what they mean.
SPEAKER_05But like, just please stop. Stop. And I'll be like, girl.
SPEAKER_02What what about you, uh, Mr. Uh Chaos?
SPEAKER_01Um I may have a little bit of a different opinion. Um, I don't think necessarily they always need to have like pride clothing or outwardly, like I don't know. First of all, I'm gonna be very honest. Actually, this might get me in trouble. Um I'm actually can we tire the rainbow or can we do like some different like pride theme stuff? Because a lot of times when I think about pride clothing, they're just slapping a rainbow on it, right? Yeah, and it don't be a and it don't be looking good. I just feel like sometimes it's just hey, we know they're gay, so let's just slap red, orange, blue, whatever the rainbow color is, and put it on a bag and sell it.
SPEAKER_04Regie biv. It's Reggie Biv. There you go. You know what?
SPEAKER_03It's actually funny you brought that up. The lady I work with was asking me because she knew I was going to private with y'all. She was asking me like was it okay for her to wear something with a rainbow on it? And I said, Yeah, why? She had a shirt with a rainbow on it. I think her sister is uh a lesbian and she had a shirt with a rainbow on it, and somebody told her not to wear that because I forget if she said it was some type of appropriating or it it was disrespectful or something like that. And I said, I had to tell her, like, no, we don't own the rainbow. You can wear whatever you want to do.
SPEAKER_04Can can we not forget where the uh the rainbow, the original, at least what we heard came from? But like that's not what they're saying.
SPEAKER_03There's so many other queer, queer-coated things that are more historic to us that you could use the red ribbon for the AIDS crisis, the pink triangle. There's so many other things that you could use, especially a prior life, except for like y'all just want these different types of wrinkles, which I mean okay, I guess, but now it's becoming confusing.
SPEAKER_05People are like they just they can't wear seven colors at once. Right. It's a rainbow, it it actually occurs, and you can have it.
SPEAKER_04It doesn't belong to anyone.
SPEAKER_03But then I just seem to I think we run into a case like what Chaos was mentioning, where somebody feels like they might accidentally be queer baby or something like that because they're wearing a rainbow and they're they're straight or something, and I'm like, no.
SPEAKER_02To everyone listening, y'all can wear whatever the hell y'all want. We don't own the rainbow. There's been stuff with the rainbow on it way before they gave us the rainbow because we didn't ask for it.
SPEAKER_05We don't rain boots.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. It's actually a negative adultone how it was given to us. It wasn't possible. We made it to something positive, but it was not given at first as a positive. So you can wear whatever you want, and then at the end of the day, who's anyone to tell you what you can or cannot wear? Now, if it clearly says something offensive, that's different. But you can wear whatever the hell you want to wear. Can't nobody tell you you can wear a rainbow every goddamn day you want and be straight. Because you're not wearing it, in my opinion, necessarily. You you just might just wear it because you like rainbows. Like, I mean, like Skittles. You just like colors.
SPEAKER_03I mean, hell of y'all actually have a lot of rainbow stuff in y'all's closet.
SPEAKER_04No, you know my unit.
SPEAKER_03I know. We know we know occasional splash of one solid color. Yes.
SPEAKER_02I would say I have a lot now over the years of going to Pride almost every year, because I always buy something new when I go to Pride. So I do have a, I wouldn't say a lot. I definitely don't have a ton. I've got maybe a couple Pride shirts. Now I do got a crap ton of like Pride flags and stuff like that, because they gave them out when I just filled up my bag with them. But to say I don't even have I don't even have like flags all over my house. Like if you don't know me, excuse me, y'all, then you wouldn't even know that I because I don't, you don't want not gonna walk in my house, like, oh, he's gay. He got a rainbow flag there, one right there, one over there. No, like I I don't. So it's definitely wear what you want. If it makes you feel comfortable, it's just weird. Yeah, she would say it, I suppose.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I have I have a flag somewhere around here, but I keep them because they give them, like you said, they give them to you. They're gonna look at the floor.
SPEAKER_02But I have just sitting here in my office right now, I'm looking at like five things that's rainbow in my office, but it's because of something that was given or something that I did at a Pride Festival or something. It's not something I went out and just bought.
SPEAKER_03See, that's why I wore a pansexual shirt to can't pride. Because I'm like, I don't want to do another rainbow. Well, there's so much other stuff, like I said, we can do.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. That's why I wore my disrespectful shirt yesterday.
SPEAKER_03Why don't why don't queer people have their own stuff, mate? Design y'all's own pride stuff. It really nowadays is not that hard and depending, not that expensive.
SPEAKER_02Well that's gonna take us into our next section.
SPEAKER_03You dance a lot of them up, ain't you? I used to get it.
SPEAKER_02Man, we took it there. Yes, we did.
Movies And Shows That Tease
SPEAKER_02But now we are gonna get into we've kind of touched on a little bit, but I want to get into like movies and stuff like that. Do you feel like there's a movie or a show that you watch that queer baited so badly that it kind of upset you while watching it? Go ahead, Azari. You yeah, you did. You did. You did. That Don Kyle Harry. Yeah. That ain't a damn.
SPEAKER_04Well, I guess I gave y'all two. Bonus cut too. Yeah, and homecoming. That's and I guess the the play too. Yeah, I mean, what about you?
SPEAKER_03I already explained to y'all why. Especially with all the speculations about his sexuality. He said it actually.
SPEAKER_04At least for me, I would say that uh as much and and and it's not the takeaway from the movie at all, because I really did like the movie. I just I hated that it was just mostly just undertone, mostly undertones. And maybe I think it was like a couple kisses. But Moonlight was one of the ones that I that when watching it, because I watched it twice, and I'm like, they really played on the aesthetic part of the DL man. And uh and even though he did, they did eventually come back and like they get like a kiss, but it was like they didn't sh they didn't like really get into how the DL lifestyle really is. So, but and I don't know because we didn't get the rest of the movies yet. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03But we ever gone probably won't. I think the play ended kind of like off like like kind of weird like that too, though.
SPEAKER_04So I think that's hopefully we actually get the rest of the story, but at least the first as the first come to the first one, they I mean they didn't really I mean I get them not trying to show kids engaging in it like that.
SPEAKER_03I'm about to say because they were teenagers, right?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but as they got older, and then when they finally met up again, they I think they kissed each other. And then they I think they were trying to make like a the DL, they was trying to show like a romantic DL story.
SPEAKER_05Like a happy one first of all.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's an oxymoron.
SPEAKER_03So I think I I think they were I think it did need a part two. I do remember when they ended. I was like, I have so many questions because there's so much to it. And I think I think what you said has a little bit of value. I see those. I think if they actually did a part two and told some of the struggles and why like DL culture existed in the first place, and why it's kind of dangerous for certain people to be out in certain situations, I think then it could have been that type something along the line. Something along the lines of what you say.
SPEAKER_04I feel like we got more setup than actual like movie. It was more of like setup for like you could clearly see they was trying to set us up for a series of movies, or at least for a part two, at least. And and I'm like, uh, yeah, because they didn't get into much, but I'm like, yeah, they definitely baited us into watching this one movie, and then I think they had promised to do a part two and three, because it it's like it's a book series, if I'm not mistaken. It is, isn't it? That's what I yeah, it is. And and I was like, so are we gonna get to see the rest? I mean, I ain't never read the books, but I after I watched the movie, and I'm like, this got to be based on something when I looked it up, and yeah, it was based off of uh it was based off of books. So that's how I feel like I'm like, okay, I might say we ain't gonna never get the the next of it because they know this is like it was almost like Moonlight was like a version of uh uh Brokeback Mountain, the separate and broke back mountain, they went there.
SPEAKER_03So I felt like Moonlight gave me very American version of Rap Taddy.
SPEAKER_05I felt like if they had like gotten to the adult life a little more, it could have very well gone in that direction.
SPEAKER_04I think it's they ended it right before we got to where like, okay, this is where the story really begins.
SPEAKER_03Especially, I mean, with them being teenagers, it's a good, and I think it feels like queer baiting because we do have a lot of loose ends. But they were kids, so I'm like, if y'all really didn't have any plans or like concrete things to do with part two, you probably should have tried to have because some loose ends are good, but then when there's too many, I can see where it can look like queer baiting.
SPEAKER_04And especially when you give us the promise of the next movies and we never get them. So yeah. What up what about you, Chaos?
SPEAKER_01Um, well, you know, I don't watch movies, so I as y'all were talking over here, uh movie or show or anything that you may have seen.
SPEAKER_02Listen, couldn't even because literally couldn't even watch the whole thing, like you maybe saw something that was that true.
SPEAKER_03There are there are some queer baiting animes, and we should talk about it eventually.
SPEAKER_01Well, most anime, I mean, if you really want to wake something up with animes, let's talk about the uh the age differences a lot of times with people between these love interests and how they be sexualizing these little girls. Um, but no, what I wanted to say was there's a TV show called Killing Eve. Have any have any of y'all seen that?
SPEAKER_04I think so.
SPEAKER_01Um in that there was there was a um there was a girl, I think she was, I don't know if she was like a single, if she was like an agent or a serial killer, but I think she killed Eve's husband. But then they had like uh like uh it almost felt like they were gonna like get together. We explored like uh Eve started becoming obsessed with Villainelle and then like was like wanting to learn more about it, and the villainelle took a really a good interest in the Eve. And then it almost tied it up as if like when they finally got they met up, like they were going to like have sex or explore some kind of a relationship, and they didn't. Um I don't know how it really ended, if I'm being honest. Uh, I don't think I swallowed all Lois did, but I remember seeing that and kind of thinking that I was like, oh, she okay, Eve might be a little gay. That's cool, but that's the only show I can really think of while talking about. Or move, yeah, show makes sense.
SPEAKER_02It makes sense. Um so let's go ahead before we we kind of phase it out. I'm gonna get down to our final
Are There Any Real Positives
SPEAKER_02section. In this section, I want to talk about are there any positives? Maybe kind of sorta. Are there any positives to it? So, like, let's be fair. As messy as queer baiting is, some people can argue there are some positives. Do you guys feel like can queer baiting ever lead to a real representation later? Or do you feel like it's just something they do to hint at and then it never actually goes anywhere? Let's go with you. Uh I'm gonna go back to you, chaos.
SPEAKER_01Um, positives of queer baiting. Um, I mean, if somehow, some way magically it brings about attention to bigger issues, maybe I'm sure I can see it. Um you know what? There's a comedian. He doesn't really queer bait, but he's very queer-coded. Um he's a big uh supporter and advocate for like the queer community. So I guess like people like him, maybe uh honestly. I'm gonna say actually, I take it back. I don't think there is. I can't really think of a positive way to spin it if I'm being so for real.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, listen, I agree because that was gonna be my answer. I I don't really it the way they're representing it now and how they represent it, I don't feel like there's a positive from any of that. Is there ways they could do it positive to Lee? Maybe, but I it I don't, it's really it's hard to see a positive aspect from it. It really is.
SPEAKER_01I think it's because we we typically think about, I mean, we typically see it in a in a sense of like um people are profiting off of it. So I think if it was fun, like I guess in a in a different kind of way that we're like, hey, someone that's queer baiting is donating to a good cause, or he's going to, or they're going to benefit the community in some way, shape, or form. I guess that's the one way. I guess you could probably spend it. But I think because it's typically associated with like some kind of profit or gain for that person, it's usually looked at as like just a big negative thing all around.
SPEAKER_05What was you about to say?
SPEAKER_03I will say this. I the representation as pretty tricky. I don't think so, unless there's like some type of purity involved or you're using it to exploit. I don't know what you would explain out of pervading, but unless it's like the accidental aspect or somebody has found or discovered something new about themselves. I don't understand how that happens. But I will say, can they use it for something positive? Possibly. I have seen people do stuff like baby dressed a certain way, or they do little suggestive stuff, they do it for a little bit in the video and they stop and be like, now that I got your attention, and they do da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And usually something positive. So I guess in that aspect, I if they stay for the rest of the video, I guess something positive came out of it, but I don't I don't know. That's tricky.
SPEAKER_05Very, I agree. Icy notes.
SPEAKER_04Um, I I mean, like the queer the act of queer bait itself, like to to try to spin it in a positive way would be very hard to do. Um especially if it's intentional. But if it's not unintentional, like, I mean the only the only thing, and it's it's just a stretch here. The only thing I can say is like when people when they realize that when they realize that they've been quote unquote queer baiting because they didn't really know what they were doing, or they just thought they were just showing, you know, showing like like chaos was saying, like people who work out and stuff or whatever, showing off their progress and showing what how or maybe they're like personal trainers or something. And then I think the only time it can kind of be a positive if they go in there and they're like, Oh, well, I'm not gay, but I do support or I'm an ally, I'm a real ally, and I I enjoy the the uh comments and the whatever, but I mean, like I said, this is a stretch, but but uh I mean that's the only thing I can like pull from it that we can be somewhat of a positive, but just to you get you get to identify who's uh identify who's actually a real ally versus like when the people who on the opposite side sit there and like when they get comments from guys and they'll be like, oh, I'm not gay, and then they spend off or whatever. But yeah.
SPEAKER_03I was just about to say that there is there was some guy I just seen on Facebook he has a fiance. Um because this thing is like I see you fit or whatever, but not gonna lie, cute guy, nice body, and I see why everybody, but he has a fiance, and the comments that he makes is so he made a video saying, like, you know, he supports everybody, he loves everybody, if they want to come and see his fitness journey, learn some things cool, but they have to chill on the comments. And y'all know how certain queer people get in comments when they want to comment on certain parts of people, and the way the comments of that video lit up with queer people saying why are you responding, antagonizing them further, saying more off-the-wall stuff, saying he has to be gay because of this and that.
SPEAKER_05And I'm like what proving his point.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, literally proving his point. We we sometimes ain't no better. I will I'll give it, we ain't no better.
SPEAKER_03But I found the video quite ri respectful, actually.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, like a person.
SPEAKER_04You're allowed to not be gay if you don't want to be gay. Yeah, what in the world?
SPEAKER_03You know, the comments were uh not only upsetting him, they were upsetting his fiance. Yes. They have a joint page together too, and and stuff. So you know. This is why you gotta be careful by who you do.
SPEAKER_04That and you this is also how you do this is also how you turn an ally into an enemy. Yeah, yep. So hopefully he takes that that isolated incidence on in his comments. He might you can hate them, but you don't got to hate the whole community. Yeah, but you told him he just go Black Oak a little bit. Like that. I love that. Actually, that's the proper response to those people. Because not everybody is, and I like when P you got people like that who realize not everyone is like that.
SPEAKER_02But you guys, to finish out this beautiful episode about queer baiting, we're gonna give basically I want you guys' final thoughts. So as we wrap this up, what I want you guys, do you guys have like what is one message you want listeners to take away from this episode about queer
Final Takeaways And Listener Callout
SPEAKER_02baiting? If it's one thing you want people to understand what we're talking about, why we feel the way about queer waiting, what is one message that you would give everyone um about queer baiting? Let's go with you, Azari.
SPEAKER_05Be responsible.
SPEAKER_03I know we mentioned earlier that some people be curious and stuff when they film and stuff or whatever. If that's what you are gonna do and you're gonna put it out for the world to see, preference it first. Or if you forget, go do like I said, do there, go on there and simply explain and then be more mindful about the stuff that you do. Um, if if that's what you're gonna do. But as far as possible about queer baby, it's just it's destructive. I feel like people talk about you know, AI taking jobs and things from people, which it is, but nobody talks about the other things that are stealing representation and and and creativity and things for other people, also, like queer baby. Queer baby takes a lot of things from people that already get so few opportunities as it is.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Very true. What about you, Mr. Icy Notes? If I had to give a final thought on it, it's just I mean, yeah, just uh be respectful for sure.
SPEAKER_04Definitely be respectful. Don't turn don't make it a character a caricature. If if it's gonna be fun and lighthearted, then keep it that way. Um and don't try to make it don't try to make a mockery out of anybody. Nobody's lifestyle should be a mockery, nobody's uh look or no no certain act or anything. It should not be made of a a mockery. Just be respectful.
SPEAKER_05Fully agree.
SPEAKER_01Um I'm gonna say, hey, do do your thing, you know, make your money, but you also need to be um, I guess inten is intentional the word I'm thinking of. Yeah, maybe intentional about the kind of content you're making. And then if you I I think Azari, you had a great example of that guy that was like, you know, because I think people don't always like queer bait intentionally. And then if there is an instance to where your people are calling you out on it or think you're queer baiting, you know, like addressing that, um, and just being respectful about it. But really, yeah, don't make a mockery of the queer community, don't exploit us to make a few dollars. Um, and honestly, a lot of times I think when people are doing that, you might actually be a little gay. So just experiment, you know. Hey, maybe that's what you need to do.
SPEAKER_05Well, there it is. There it is.
SPEAKER_04So it's always good to do your research if you really want to if you want to do it the right way.
SPEAKER_02So I would say for me is it's definitely just be mindful. We need to be mindful when you post something, when you say things, when y'all develop these skits, these movies, these shows. Just be very mindful of what you're presenting, how you're presenting it, and what exactly you're doing. Like it's like Mr. Isinel said, it's okay. I mean, if you want to make a like we laugh, something's funny, ha ha ha. But when it gets to the point where you're being disrespectful or you're making a mockery, or you're making fun of that particular group of people, that's when it becomes a problem. That's when it becomes disrespectful. That's when it's basically, as we're talking about, that's when you're queer baiting. And queer baiting is not a positive thing, it's not a good thing, it's not something that, you know, we're we're saying basically, oh, it's out there and people are doing it, but people are doing it and you're being disrespectful with it. You may not see it as being disrespectful. You've seen it as, oh, I'm making money, or I'm doing, you know, I'm doing a representation, but it's how you're representing, how you're presenting is where the problem leads to. So with that being said, y'all, that was going to bring us to the end of this episode about the queer baiting chronicles of the positives, there is none, the negatives, the messy, the honest, the funny. And hell, I mean, this is a good episode, and I feel like it was very much necessary. So if you guys are listening to us, please make sure you like, subscribe, send us fan mails, send us anything, any comments. If you want to hear us talk about something, you want us to go into more details, you got a question that you want to ask, go ahead and ask it in the comments. Make sure you like, subscribe, and follow us on all platforms. And as always, we want to thank you all for listening. Let's say bye, y'all.
SPEAKER_05Bye. Later, y'all.
SPEAKER_02Put y'all too. Bye.
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